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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAM makes a lot of good mounts. The GoPro tripod mount adapter is key. Tape and plastic wire ties are also very important. I&#039;ve been fiddling with camera mounts for about three years now and have finally figured out satisfactory setups in five different locations in/on my helicopter. Again, I prefer not to share details.

It&#039;s really up to your pilot to make camera mounting decisions, especially if they&#039;re on the exterior of the helicopter or anywhere near the flight controls. There&#039;s no consensus on the legal (per FAA) aspects of exterior mounts that aren&#039;t STCed. I don&#039;t know any smart pilot who would allow a client to mount anything on the outside of the helicopter without extensive testing (in solo flight) first.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAM makes a lot of good mounts. The GoPro tripod mount adapter is key. Tape and plastic wire ties are also very important. I&#8217;ve been fiddling with camera mounts for about three years now and have finally figured out satisfactory setups in five different locations in/on my helicopter. Again, I prefer not to share details.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really up to your pilot to make camera mounting decisions, especially if they&#8217;re on the exterior of the helicopter or anywhere near the flight controls. There&#8217;s no consensus on the legal (per FAA) aspects of exterior mounts that aren&#8217;t STCed. I don&#8217;t know any smart pilot who would allow a client to mount anything on the outside of the helicopter without extensive testing (in solo flight) first.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-10021</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria,
I&#039;m a professional aerial photographer and do about 75% of my work from R44&#039;s.  I&#039;m very interested in learning more about how you mount your GoPros on the nose (outside).  I appreciate your reluctance to show photos or discuss online but would really like to be able explore this further.  Just a few hints on mounts (RAM??) and safety measures you take would really be appreciated.
Thanks, and great blog, BTW :)
ST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,<br />
I&#8217;m a professional aerial photographer and do about 75% of my work from R44&#8242;s.  I&#8217;m very interested in learning more about how you mount your GoPros on the nose (outside).  I appreciate your reluctance to show photos or discuss online but would really like to be able explore this further.  Just a few hints on mounts (RAM??) and safety measures you take would really be appreciated.<br />
Thanks, and great blog, BTW :)<br />
ST</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-9726</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a gyro-stabilized mount now: http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/ It takes all of the vibration out of the video and prevents unintended movement of the camera. It&#039;s a costly device that I bought to make my aircraft more attractive to aerial videographers.

There are lots of photos and videos from the GoPro nosecam here. Here are a few links:

	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/23/a-few-aerial-views-from-todays-flight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Few Aerial Views from Today&#039;s Flight&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/10/departure-from-dvt-video/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Departure from DVT Video&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/04/desert-run-by-helicopter-100-feet-100-knots/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Desert Run by Helicopter: 100 feet @ 100 knots&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/07/17/drying-cherries/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Drying Cherries&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2010/10/29/lake-powell-to-monument-valley-by-helicopter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lake Powell to Monument Valley by Helicopter&lt;/a&gt;


I just got a RAM mount that I should be able to use to mount a GoPro to a skid. Hope to experiment with that later this month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a gyro-stabilized mount now: <a href="http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/</a> It takes all of the vibration out of the video and prevents unintended movement of the camera. It&#8217;s a costly device that I bought to make my aircraft more attractive to aerial videographers.</p>
<p>There are lots of photos and videos from the GoPro nosecam here. Here are a few links:</p>
<p>	<a href="http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/23/a-few-aerial-views-from-todays-flight/" rel="nofollow">A Few Aerial Views from Today&#8217;s Flight</a><br />
	<a href="http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/10/departure-from-dvt-video/" rel="nofollow">Departure from DVT Video</a><br />
	<a href="http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/11/04/desert-run-by-helicopter-100-feet-100-knots/" rel="nofollow">Desert Run by Helicopter: 100 feet @ 100 knots</a><br />
	<a href="http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2011/07/17/drying-cherries/" rel="nofollow">Drying Cherries</a><br />
	<a href="http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2010/10/29/lake-powell-to-monument-valley-by-helicopter/" rel="nofollow">Lake Powell to Monument Valley by Helicopter</a></p>
<p>I just got a RAM mount that I should be able to use to mount a GoPro to a skid. Hope to experiment with that later this month.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-9718</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 01:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria, 
Thanks for taking the time to write this. I can vouch for the advice to use your body to isolate vibration, and to use minimum zoom to help keep the subject in frame. I can also add that tulips or lens protectors seem to only make stabilizing the camera more difficult. 

Did you ever try using any sort of brace or SteadyCam type device? I&#039;ve thought about buying an inexpensive shoulder-mounted stabilizer to keep in the office for the guy who, despite all warnings, still shows up hoping to get video with a hand-held SLR. 

(Oh, and have you ever posted pics of your nose-cam? Back when I had the VIO, I got some decent video from it mounted on the door frame, but the GoPro and Contour systems don&#039;t work quite as well from that position.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,<br />
Thanks for taking the time to write this. I can vouch for the advice to use your body to isolate vibration, and to use minimum zoom to help keep the subject in frame. I can also add that tulips or lens protectors seem to only make stabilizing the camera more difficult. </p>
<p>Did you ever try using any sort of brace or SteadyCam type device? I&#8217;ve thought about buying an inexpensive shoulder-mounted stabilizer to keep in the office for the guy who, despite all warnings, still shows up hoping to get video with a hand-held SLR. </p>
<p>(Oh, and have you ever posted pics of your nose-cam? Back when I had the VIO, I got some decent video from it mounted on the door frame, but the GoPro and Contour systems don&#8217;t work quite as well from that position.)</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-8762</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to comment. I&#039;m sure most folks don&#039;t have the patience to read through the whole saga, but I think it does help people understand everything I tried that &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; work -- so they know what to expect when they try the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment. I&#8217;m sure most folks don&#8217;t have the patience to read through the whole saga, but I think it does help people understand everything I tried that <em>didn&#8217;t</em> work &#8212; so they know what to expect when they try the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Darek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read it all!
Very, very helpful, thank you for wrting it
Darek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read it all!<br />
Very, very helpful, thank you for wrting it<br />
Darek</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-4862</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob
The software was huge for me, too. I was ready to give up until I ran it though iMovie. &lt;em&gt;iMovie!&lt;/em&gt; Who would think a $79 program could make such a huge difference?

The most important thing to remember is to NOT brace the camera against anything in the helicopter that might vibrate -- which is basically anything in the helicopter. Your body (hands, arms, etc.) should isolate much of the vibration, but the seat, door frame, etc. will not.

I do need to point out one thing, though: without some kind of stabilization, it&#039;s very doubtful that you&#039;ll get usable clips more than 5 to 10 seconds long -- especially if you&#039;re zoomed in at all. The long, sweeping shot as you fly by the target is not likely to become a reality without some sort of external stabilization. That&#039;s why I just bought one of these: http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob<br />
The software was huge for me, too. I was ready to give up until I ran it though iMovie. <em>iMovie!</em> Who would think a $79 program could make such a huge difference?</p>
<p>The most important thing to remember is to NOT brace the camera against anything in the helicopter that might vibrate &#8212; which is basically anything in the helicopter. Your body (hands, arms, etc.) should isolate much of the vibration, but the seat, door frame, etc. will not.</p>
<p>I do need to point out one thing, though: without some kind of stabilization, it&#8217;s very doubtful that you&#8217;ll get usable clips more than 5 to 10 seconds long &#8212; especially if you&#8217;re zoomed in at all. The long, sweeping shot as you fly by the target is not likely to become a reality without some sort of external stabilization. That&#8217;s why I just bought one of these: <a href="http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flyingmair.com/aerial-photography/moitek-video-mount/</a></p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THanks a lot for this post - the info was EXTREMELY helpful. I&#039;m a noob, admittedly, to the video world, and with two helicopter shoots coming up, I can&#039;t thank you enough for taking the time to put this info together, along with the footage samples etc. 

I&#039;m on a shoestring budget with these shoots, and am quite nervous about spending the dough without knowing for sure what will work and what won&#039;t.  It&#039;s doubtful the client will even spring for any kind of gyro - so now I&#039;m down to probably a couple passes, one with and one without the internal stabilization on, just to see what works best (without a gyro). I have a couple thoughts on building something myself to help out, and I think the bungee idea, along with maybe a counterweighted mount, might at least help. I&#039;m not expecting much, but this certainly helped me realize there were some things you could do to help yourself along the way... including the software. That was huge.  Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THanks a lot for this post &#8211; the info was EXTREMELY helpful. I&#8217;m a noob, admittedly, to the video world, and with two helicopter shoots coming up, I can&#8217;t thank you enough for taking the time to put this info together, along with the footage samples etc. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m on a shoestring budget with these shoots, and am quite nervous about spending the dough without knowing for sure what will work and what won&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s doubtful the client will even spring for any kind of gyro &#8211; so now I&#8217;m down to probably a couple passes, one with and one without the internal stabilization on, just to see what works best (without a gyro). I have a couple thoughts on building something myself to help out, and I think the bungee idea, along with maybe a counterweighted mount, might at least help. I&#8217;m not expecting much, but this certainly helped me realize there were some things you could do to help yourself along the way&#8230; including the software. That was huge.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: Thanks very much for sharing this with us. It&#039;s a great tip and I&#039;m sure anyone who works with cameras or other electronic equipment in cold weather can benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: Thanks very much for sharing this with us. It&#8217;s a great tip and I&#8217;m sure anyone who works with cameras or other electronic equipment in cold weather can benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Danigelis</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Danigelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your article on stabilization so detailed and helpful, I&#039;ll share a tip. I was looking for something to keep my Sony HC-1 camcorder warm in bitter cold conditions. It saves on battery life, and keeps any moving parts from damage. (I ruined a focusing mechanism in zero degree weather once) It&#039;s a fraction of the cost of the jackets you can purchase, and looks real pro...

&gt;

&gt; I picked up two Silicone Grip Pot Mitts by Canopy (each about 7X12&quot;)at that big store that we all must shop at. They are only $4ea, and come with handy pouches (where your hands would normally go) that you can use to put Hothands handwarmers in. I just wrap them around the camcorder somewhat like two burrito shells, and fasten the tops and bottoms together at different points w/ velcro. With the top and bottom openings, you can get at accessory shoes on top (for ext. mics), and the bottom can be somewhat open for mounting camcorder on a tripod. The point is that when using two separate halves, you have flexibility to fasten them around your equipment at different points as needed. Plus, the mits are insulated!

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your article on stabilization so detailed and helpful, I&#8217;ll share a tip. I was looking for something to keep my Sony HC-1 camcorder warm in bitter cold conditions. It saves on battery life, and keeps any moving parts from damage. (I ruined a focusing mechanism in zero degree weather once) It&#8217;s a fraction of the cost of the jackets you can purchase, and looks real pro&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;</p>
<p>&gt; I picked up two Silicone Grip Pot Mitts by Canopy (each about 7X12&#8243;)at that big store that we all must shop at. They are only $4ea, and come with handy pouches (where your hands would normally go) that you can use to put Hothands handwarmers in. I just wrap them around the camcorder somewhat like two burrito shells, and fasten the tops and bottoms together at different points w/ velcro. With the top and bottom openings, you can get at accessory shoes on top (for ext. mics), and the bottom can be somewhat open for mounting camcorder on a tripod. The point is that when using two separate halves, you have flexibility to fasten them around your equipment at different points as needed. Plus, the mits are insulated!</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie Itzkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnie Itzkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria,

Here is the perfect solution for you. The ATM (advanced travel mount). Low cost and only 16 pounds (30 pounds in the case).

www.aerialexposure.com

Take care,

Arnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,</p>
<p>Here is the perfect solution for you. The ATM (advanced travel mount). Low cost and only 16 pounds (30 pounds in the case).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aerialexposure.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aerialexposure.com</a></p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Arnie</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Busse</title>
		<link>http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/04/05/on-helicopters-video-and-stabilization/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator>David R. Busse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read...wish I had known what you were up against, I could have offered some advice to avoid trail and error stuff. Tried the stabilization and gyro thing many years ago in many different forms and the result was always the same--go with the external gyros and turn off whatever stabilization system is built in the camera. We tried many different combinations of mounts, cameras, stabilized lenses, external gyros, etc., and the result was the same...internal &quot;shake eliminators&quot; were worthless. Ended up using Tyler mounts, then chucked that altogether and went with Wescam...then Flir in various incarnations, then Cineflex. That&#039;s another story...

Re: handheld...I did a lot of handheld TV work in the 1980s and preferred the Hughes 500D (five blades, a bit more stable) for hand-held, stay-low and shoot-wide work, along with a custom-built harness built by Thornton Technologies in Carlsbad, CA. No stablization whatsoever, just my harness and my body and some good pilot skills (including one amazing guy who still flies at 80 years old)...Front door off was best, tho I did some seated-on-the-floor back door stuff from the left side when it was critical that the pilot see exactly what I was doing. The 500 is a great mountain machine and absolutely devoid of any creature comforts. Did a network news morning show shoot (mountain flying) in this manner years ago and the New York people were agog..calling and wanting to know what the mount was and who built it. &quot;God built it and you can&#039;t buy it...&quot; was my answer.

Sounds like you have a great project going...I feel your pain, as I&#039;ve been involved in a number of self-financed projects where you try like hell to get the best aerials possible, then feel your stomach grind as the blades turn and you see your dollars leaving your wallet as the ol&#039; Hobbs meter ticks merrily away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read&#8230;wish I had known what you were up against, I could have offered some advice to avoid trail and error stuff. Tried the stabilization and gyro thing many years ago in many different forms and the result was always the same&#8211;go with the external gyros and turn off whatever stabilization system is built in the camera. We tried many different combinations of mounts, cameras, stabilized lenses, external gyros, etc., and the result was the same&#8230;internal &#8220;shake eliminators&#8221; were worthless. Ended up using Tyler mounts, then chucked that altogether and went with Wescam&#8230;then Flir in various incarnations, then Cineflex. That&#8217;s another story&#8230;</p>
<p>Re: handheld&#8230;I did a lot of handheld TV work in the 1980s and preferred the Hughes 500D (five blades, a bit more stable) for hand-held, stay-low and shoot-wide work, along with a custom-built harness built by Thornton Technologies in Carlsbad, CA. No stablization whatsoever, just my harness and my body and some good pilot skills (including one amazing guy who still flies at 80 years old)&#8230;Front door off was best, tho I did some seated-on-the-floor back door stuff from the left side when it was critical that the pilot see exactly what I was doing. The 500 is a great mountain machine and absolutely devoid of any creature comforts. Did a network news morning show shoot (mountain flying) in this manner years ago and the New York people were agog..calling and wanting to know what the mount was and who built it. &#8220;God built it and you can&#8217;t buy it&#8230;&#8221; was my answer.</p>
<p>Sounds like you have a great project going&#8230;I feel your pain, as I&#8217;ve been involved in a number of self-financed projects where you try like hell to get the best aerials possible, then feel your stomach grind as the blades turn and you see your dollars leaving your wallet as the ol&#8217; Hobbs meter ticks merrily away&#8230;</p>
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