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		<title>By: Downwash Lesson Plan &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Downwash Lesson Plan &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#039;s the rationale behind the new lesson plan I just added, Rotor Downwash. (Maria Langer has also written about an incident where another pilot--well, just read her [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Byron Edgington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron Edgington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A (very) late comment, Maria, but I agree with &#039;just another pilot&#039;. Though, sadly, I&#039;m retired now, having lost my medical, I remember seeing such actions on the part of a few of my colleagues, and thinking what a lousy image we&#039;re showing the public, who, by and large, were our customers after all. No wonder RW has such a poor rep in the flying game. Here&#039;s the really sad part: the FAA, the operator, airport managers, ATC etc. will not do a thing about cowboy pilots until they hurt or kill someone, then it&#039;s much too late. I saw it a hundred times. Until the FAA starts revoking licenses and operator&#039;s permits nothing will change. My last gig was flying tours on Kauai, and I saw other pilots do things that curled my hair--yes, I did report them--but I quickly learned it was fly and deny. Too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A (very) late comment, Maria, but I agree with &#8216;just another pilot&#8217;. Though, sadly, I&#8217;m retired now, having lost my medical, I remember seeing such actions on the part of a few of my colleagues, and thinking what a lousy image we&#8217;re showing the public, who, by and large, were our customers after all. No wonder RW has such a poor rep in the flying game. Here&#8217;s the really sad part: the FAA, the operator, airport managers, ATC etc. will not do a thing about cowboy pilots until they hurt or kill someone, then it&#8217;s much too late. I saw it a hundred times. Until the FAA starts revoking licenses and operator&#8217;s permits nothing will change. My last gig was flying tours on Kauai, and I saw other pilots do things that curled my hair&#8211;yes, I did report them&#8211;but I quickly learned it was fly and deny. Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong. Names need to be brought up. Be responsible for your actions. This way you avoid &quot;shotgun&quot; approach to memos, etc. All of us are , and should be accountable for our actions Maria. If a particular individual needs to be reprimanded or fired, then tough shit. This ain&#039;t no babysitting job. It is actually the REAL WORLD. I&#039;m a real fair boss, but I ain&#039;t interested in your undisciplined childhood, or if you need to &quot;find&quot; yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. Names need to be brought up. Be responsible for your actions. This way you avoid &#8220;shotgun&#8221; approach to memos, etc. All of us are , and should be accountable for our actions Maria. If a particular individual needs to be reprimanded or fired, then tough shit. This ain&#8217;t no babysitting job. It is actually the REAL WORLD. I&#8217;m a real fair boss, but I ain&#8217;t interested in your undisciplined childhood, or if you need to &#8220;find&#8221; yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Essex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb Essex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria,

You did the right thing. There is no reason to ignore the safety of passengers. Most Pilots go out of their way not to &quot;dust&quot; other aircraft, vehicles, and especially people. These guys were irresponsible, unsafe, and rude. I can understand why you don&#039;t want to call the company directly...but have a family member (Passenger) send a letter. They need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria,</p>
<p>You did the right thing. There is no reason to ignore the safety of passengers. Most Pilots go out of their way not to &#8220;dust&#8221; other aircraft, vehicles, and especially people. These guys were irresponsible, unsafe, and rude. I can understand why you don&#8217;t want to call the company directly&#8230;but have a family member (Passenger) send a letter. They need to know.</p>
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		<title>By: mlanger (Maria Langer)</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlanger (Maria Langer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got three comments in 5 mins on my post about a dangerous pilot. Got something to add? http://tinyurl.com/73aojh</description>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lesson learned -- I can tell you that.

I guess the problem is that I expected him to fly safely and responsibly. I expected him to do what I would have done. I would NEVER fly that close to anyone on the ground for any reason. If there was no other flight path -- and believe me, there was! -- I&#039;d sit in the aircraft, spinning and burning fuel until they moved. I&#039;d wave my arms and point to get them to move. If nothing worked, I&#039;d shut down, get out, and ASK them to move.

He did it for spite -- I know he did. Unless he&#039;s brain dead, that&#039;s the only reason he would have chosen that flight path.

And there is one thing I didn&#039;t mention -- my passengers and I were standing near a piece of equipment. Can&#039;t remember what it was, but it was a big box about waist high. You can just about see it in the image. Who would fly right past something like that, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesson learned &#8212; I can tell you that.</p>
<p>I guess the problem is that I expected him to fly safely and responsibly. I expected him to do what I would have done. I would NEVER fly that close to anyone on the ground for any reason. If there was no other flight path &#8212; and believe me, there was! &#8212; I&#8217;d sit in the aircraft, spinning and burning fuel until they moved. I&#8217;d wave my arms and point to get them to move. If nothing worked, I&#8217;d shut down, get out, and ASK them to move.</p>
<p>He did it for spite &#8212; I know he did. Unless he&#8217;s brain dead, that&#8217;s the only reason he would have chosen that flight path.</p>
<p>And there is one thing I didn&#8217;t mention &#8212; my passengers and I were standing near a piece of equipment. Can&#8217;t remember what it was, but it was a big box about waist high. You can just about see it in the image. Who would fly right past something like that, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last comment here and I am playing the devils advocate for the FAA ,:),you could have been asked the following.

When it became obvious that another aircraft was starting up with the likely intention of taking off, why did you not remove your passengers to a safer location.

Some managed (semi controlled) public helipads do not allow pax on the ramps with rotors turning. Perhaps for good reason

You could not expect the other pilot to behave irresponsibly but as the PIC you are always responsible for the safety of your pax.

Just food for thought.

Fly Safe, Keith

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last comment here and I am playing the devils advocate for the FAA ,:),you could have been asked the following.</p>
<p>When it became obvious that another aircraft was starting up with the likely intention of taking off, why did you not remove your passengers to a safer location.</p>
<p>Some managed (semi controlled) public helipads do not allow pax on the ramps with rotors turning. Perhaps for good reason</p>
<p>You could not expect the other pilot to behave irresponsibly but as the PIC you are always responsible for the safety of your pax.</p>
<p>Just food for thought.</p>
<p>Fly Safe, Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I spoke to my FAA POI about this on the phone. He called me after I e-mailed an account to him. Apparently, I&#039;m not the first person to wave flags about this organization. I also spoke with airport management regarding the parking space turf wars. But I really don&#039;t want to contact the company directly. Of course, I will if anything else happens when I&#039;m back at that airport.

I don&#039;t think the pilot realized I would take action. I think a lot of people just don&#039;t bother to report things like this. Maybe he thought that because I was a woman, I&#039;d back off. What he doesn&#039;t realize is that I&#039;m a former New Yorker first. New Yorkers don&#039;t take shit from anyone. It&#039;s a good thing he wasn&#039;t shutting down when I was outside the aircraft. I would have told him off right in front of his passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I spoke to my FAA POI about this on the phone. He called me after I e-mailed an account to him. Apparently, I&#8217;m not the first person to wave flags about this organization. I also spoke with airport management regarding the parking space turf wars. But I really don&#8217;t want to contact the company directly. Of course, I will if anything else happens when I&#8217;m back at that airport.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the pilot realized I would take action. I think a lot of people just don&#8217;t bother to report things like this. Maybe he thought that because I was a woman, I&#8217;d back off. What he doesn&#8217;t realize is that I&#8217;m a former New Yorker first. New Yorkers don&#8217;t take shit from anyone. It&#8217;s a good thing he wasn&#8217;t shutting down when I was outside the aircraft. I would have told him off right in front of his passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, The other pilots commenting ,all make good points.As a former Chief Pilot I always wanted to know when one of my pilots did something that should be addressed.

You can hope the Chief Pilot of that company does not condone those actions but where there is smoke there is fire. The pilot knew that he would create an incident and if he thought he was going to have a problem in doing so with his boss, would not have likely have behaved as such.

The FAA won&#039;t do anything unless you follow up with another call and the company will not do anything unless you pursue the matter to the top.

Your move.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, The other pilots commenting ,all make good points.As a former Chief Pilot I always wanted to know when one of my pilots did something that should be addressed.</p>
<p>You can hope the Chief Pilot of that company does not condone those actions but where there is smoke there is fire. The pilot knew that he would create an incident and if he thought he was going to have a problem in doing so with his boss, would not have likely have behaved as such.</p>
<p>The FAA won&#8217;t do anything unless you follow up with another call and the company will not do anything unless you pursue the matter to the top.</p>
<p>Your move.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Keith Gill´s last blog post: <a href="http://heligypsy.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/answer-the-radio/" rel="nofollow">Answer the radio</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: A valid concern</title>
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		<dc:creator>A valid concern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the most professional thing to do is address the concern of safety to the chief pilot of the other company leaving names out of it. Therefore he could address the safety issue to all line pilots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most professional thing to do is address the concern of safety to the chief pilot of the other company leaving names out of it. Therefore he could address the safety issue to all line pilots.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Hamblin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Hamblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you Maria. I hope the FAA at least makes contact with this guy. Too bad you didn&#039;t catch his fly over on video...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you Maria. I hope the FAA at least makes contact with this guy. Too bad you didn&#8217;t catch his fly over on video&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Just another pilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just another pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria,

As a high time professional helicopter pilot, I think the other pilots actions were disgraceful. If this had happened to me, I would be calling his Chief Pilot. Aside from the safety aspect, his actions do not portray the image we should be giving the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria,</p>
<p>As a high time professional helicopter pilot, I think the other pilots actions were disgraceful. If this had happened to me, I would be calling his Chief Pilot. Aside from the safety aspect, his actions do not portray the image we should be giving the public.</p>
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